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Volunteer Concrit for the KKM fanfic "Of Age"
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27th-Jan-2008 10:15 pm
No fandom - cliffiewitch green
This will be the one and only public post on this community. This community is on moderated membership. To learn what's it's about, please see the userinfo.

If this is the only post you can see and you're interested in joining the community, please read the following in full and comment.

Here's a brief FAQ on what I want to do and why:

So wait. You're going to revise the first chapters AGAIN?
The first several chapters of the story need heavy revision, no doubt about it. I don't think it's uncommon for a story this huge to go through several drafts before it's polished. In my case, I just made the mistake of posting the drafts before they were finished. XD So yes, I want to revise the story. I think chapters 1-3 need complete rewrites, chapters 4-5 and 7 need moderate fixing, and chapters 6 and the first part of 8 need more minor fixin's. Any future chapters...well, not sure yet. XD

What do you need me for?
Well, I only want to post this story ONE MORE TIME and be done with it. The more advice I can get on how to fix the existing chapters and how to improve the in process chapters before they get posted will be invaluable. So, if you agree to give me advice, you get to read the new chapters before anyone else.

I get advance reading of the new chapters?! Sign me up!
Wait, not so fast! ^_^ There is, of course, a catch. And that is that you have to give honest, brutal crit of the existing chapters and of the new chapters when I post them. Meaning, this isn't a place for people to just come and preread the chapters. The community would be closed to the public, and the only people allowed to read the entires will be people who give me crit.

But I thought you already have a beta?
I do, and she's beyond phenomenal! But the more opinions I can get will only help me to consider more options and more ideas. ^_^

So...how much do I have to write about each chapter/chapter section?
Not a dissertation or anything. I expect anyone who joins to tell me what they liked and why, and what they didn't like and why. I don't want a full blown beta, but I do want a decently sized comment telling me what worked and what didn't and why, and possibly be willing to have a conversation with me about how to fix it. As for length...considering that every post is maxed at 8,000 words, I'd say at least several paragraphs per post.

You mean I have to write several paragraphs on every single post?
Yes, every post. However, I'm not planning to post anything publicly until the story is finished entirely, so you can take your time with commenting. My goal is to have the fic finished by October 31 so I can spend NaNoWriMo 2008 on the sequel, Legacy. So as long as you comment before I post the chapter, you're good. ^^

How brutal do you want the crit to be? You do tend to get a bit defensive...
I know I have gotten defensive in the past, and I do apologize. This story is my baby and I put a lot of myself into it. All I can say is that in this instance, I'm asking for crit and I will take it as a compliment that you're giving it to help me. ^_^ As for how brutal...be honest! Brutal is fine. But...do toss me a bone once in awhile about something that was good, please? ~_^ I would also ask that you not get offended if I choose not to take your advice in some areas. It's not that I don't appreciate it, but it's my story and I need to be happy with it, an some people just have different preferences.

I want to help, but I don't exactly have a ton of time. How quickly are you wanting feedback?
Like I said above, take your time. I'll post reminders before I need the feedback, but I don't expect that you'll have less than several months to go back and comment. I'll just ask for your word that you'll get to it eventually.

English isn't my first language, but I want to join. Can I?
Absolutely! I'm not only looking for spelling and grammar help ('cause I'm pretty darn good at those things anyway), but characterization and wording and plot. Any advice you give will be valued and appreciated. <3

I didn't read Of Age before you took it down from the internet. Can I join?
Sure! As long as you're willing to give honest crit.

How long is the story, anyway?
I so far posted 7 chapters out of 12, but the chapters get way longer as the story goes on. I'd say what's posted so far is about 130,000 words. I'm thinking the total word count will be about 250,000.

Geez, that's long. How often are you going to post?
Well, for the existing chapters, I'll probably do one post per week. Most of the chapters don't fit on one post, so you'd have max 8,000 words per week in the beginning. Though, again, you can take your time. For the rest of the chapters not yet finished, I'll post less frequently, as I get them done. It might be quick, it might be slow. But as I said, you have literally months to respond. ^_^

Am I going to get spoiled for the ending?
Nope. You'll be seeing the chapters early, but the events will all be in order and you won't be spoiled. If you WANT to be spoiled...as a thank you for helping me, I'll give you spoilers. ^_^

What if I read a chapter or section and I have nothing to crit? Is that okay?
If you read something and can find nothing to improve, I'll probably think you're insane, but it's fine. XD But I would expect you to, in that case, tell me what you thought was good and specifically why so I can learn from it. A comment such as "Great chapter! I see nothing to improve!" is not allowed. Also, if you NEVER have any criticism...well, we may have a problem, because the point of this is for me to improve the story, not to get praise.

I read all this and I think I can help you. What do I do?
If you're interested, please comment here. If I get any interest at all, I'll create the community and post here letting people know it's done. Membership will be moderated so when you join I'll have to approve you, which I will do if you've commented on this post. ^_^ Then you'll have my undying gratitude and you'll basically own me: any favor you want, it's yours! And then I'll start posting with chapter one.

I have a friend who's not on your flist that may be interested.
Great! I'll make a public post on the new community telling anyone all the information, and they can comment there if they're interested. <3

When will I get to start reading new material?!
Hopefully not long. I've gotten quite a bit done on the rest of chapter 8, and even chapter 9! But I am, as always, at the mercy of the fickle Muses. We shall see.

If you're interested in joining the community, please comment!
28th-Jan-2008 10:54 pm (UTC)
*pokes* How could you doubt that I'd want to join? *giggles* <33333

;) btw, nice icon ;)

Edited at 2008-01-28 10:55 pm (UTC)
28th-Jan-2008 10:57 pm (UTC)
*huggles* I didn't! But I also didn't know if you'd have time given how I've utterly lost you to drama fandom! Damn you, pretty men!! ^_^

I know, isn't it the best? Some fun, amazing woman made it for me. <3

Join up, dahling! *smooches*
28th-Jan-2008 11:05 pm (UTC)
*chuckles* done already, dear. And I'm not totally lost. Just...somewhat. *chuckles* (and yes, they are pretty, aren't they? *pets Yasu-kun*)

I dunno this fun, amazing woman of which you speak. ;) *teases*


29th-Jan-2008 02:34 am (UTC)
Dude. Dude. Lena. Lena. Leeeena. Leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeena *pokepoke*


Am I special enough to join?!~

*shoves a naked!Gunter plushie under Lena's shirt*
29th-Jan-2008 02:36 am (UTC)
You are aware of my tyrannical demands! If you be brave enough to face such torment, ye be granted admission into my exclusive gathering. ^_^

(YES, pleeeeeeease!!!!! Please join!!!) *glomps*

Edited at 2008-01-29 02:36 am (UTC)
29th-Jan-2008 02:45 am (UTC)
pppppffts. *sporfles and sporkles* WHAT TYRANNICAL DEMANDS! You're like a de-clawed lion!!! *fleees*

*squeezes lena until leaving another honey dent on her*

18th-Feb-2008 06:57 pm (UTC)
First of all, hi :)

I started reading your fic a long time ago over at FF.net, when it was like three chapters long. Recently I suddenly had an inspiration that I want to read it again, especially hoping it was finished. So I found your lj and this comm and I want to volunteer because, I hope I can really be of use. Well, and to be honest, I'd love to both help and be able to read the chapters in advance :).

I promise to be honest without being rude. And I'll try to comment coherently and within reasonable time of posting.

I am not active in lj, as I keep it only for fandom purposes, but be assured that I'll be checking your lj and the comm for updates. I friended your lj, hope you don't mind.
18th-Feb-2008 07:31 pm (UTC)
Hi! I'm really flattered that you remembered the story after all that time! ^_^ I had 7 chapters posted and one rewrite done before taking the story down for total revisions, so it was a long time! ^_^

I'd be delighted to have your help! I've already posted the first 5 chapters or so in this community - if you request membership, I'll definitely approve you (and I'll add you on lenas_ill_fame as well). ^_^ I hope you enjoy the developments in the story...be aware, though, it does get very dark at times and explores some very adult themes, such as sex and incest and violence and death, although nothing horribly graphic. I only mention it because as of Chapter 3 things were still pretty tame. If that's okay with you, join up and welcome!! ^_^ If not, definitely no hard feelings. :D
19th-Feb-2008 04:35 am (UTC)
I have no problem with most warnings, but thank you for pointing out anyway. And thanks for approving my request to join.

I read the info post and with it in regard, I'll probably be working with the MS Word versions, as the Track Changes option of the program are really useful, but if you insist I can of course add comments in the comm too, though they'll likely be a bit less extensive.

I'll try to start with the first chapter tomorrow when I finish earlier.

Let's hope it'll be a mutually pleasurable and beneficial exchange. I know I'll enjoy it.
19th-Feb-2008 04:40 am (UTC)
You're welcome! I'm glad you decided to join. I can't say how flattered I am that you remember my little fic after three years! ^_^

Let me know if your preferred download mirror is inactive, I'll try and get it back up. And of course, you're welcome to use the Word versions. I'll probably cut and paste your comments, especially about general stuff rather than small things like typos/wording, into the post, if that's all right? That way you don't have to do any extra work. Just critting alone is plenty, let me do all the grunt work! ^_^

Thanks so much again, and I know it'll be great! I've gotten pretty darn good at accepting crit as a compliment, and I thank you for your time and effort! <3
18th-Feb-2008 07:43 pm (UTC)
Oh, also! Assuming you want to join and after I approve you, you'll be able to see a lot of posts, but I want to be sure to direct you to this one. You can only see it after your membership is approved, but I didn't want it to get lost. XD

No pressure at all, I was just making sure I said something just in case. ^_^
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10th-Apr-2008 03:15 am (UTC)
Thanks so much for the offer! I'm certainly looking for help. I don't know about line by line as it's quite a long story, but wording and rephrasing definitely.

Since I'm just meeting you, I'm going to assume you've not read the fic previously (before it was taken down for rehaul, so to speak ^_^). Which is fine, but I do like to tell people that the fic is very dark, adult, and contains themes of death, rape, incest, and a lot of heavy angst. Also, the story is currently over 150,000 words and is projected to be between 300,000 and 350,000 words total. If you're fine with that, then great!

The other thing is, would you mind linking me/showing me to some crit you've given in the past, or if I could read something you've written? It would be very helpful for me just to see your style and make sure it's a good fit for what I'm doing before you commit to anything.

Thank you for offering!
14th-Apr-2008 07:51 am (UTC)
Hi lenainverse!! I don't think you remember me, but I followed the first version of "Of Age" and commented your entries at the Wolfram community. Well, lately I wondered if you were still working on it, but I didn't come along to look at the progress (the last semester was hell, but now I have more free time, THANK GOD!!). Then the story vanished from ff.net and I thought you had abandoned the fic. Fortunately I have the developed the tendency to save my favorite fanfics as text files to my hard drive.. so I still have the first version and can read it.

I was shocked to hear that you wanted to revise it. As a former writer myself I know how it feels to think there are many flaws, but I saw the feedback you got. The story was soo good. But since you made your decision, I want to help! I wanted to do that before, but only know I have spare time to invest in feedback. I can't guarantee to be of any help, but I will give my best!

So will you let me please join?
14th-Apr-2008 11:43 am (UTC)
Of course I remember you! You're on my friends list after all. ^_^ I'm glad to hear you're doing well and have more free time!

I would love for you to join this community! I'm very flattered that you're still interested in the story. ^_^ If you request to join the community, I will approve you!

Right now, I've posted up all of chapters 1-7 and each post has downloadable text files. Rather than read what you currently have saved, you should DL and read the new versions, as I already did one revision and some things may be different. Also, I added crit notes for things I want feedback on which are very important for yo to read. Once your membership is approved you can go to this post to find links to all the chapters.

You picked a great time to join, I am very close to posting new stuff from chapter 8! But please be absolutely sure that before you join, you have time to give feedback on every chapter, because that's the deal you get for getting to read the new chapters early. ^^

I'll be looking for your membership request!
29th-Apr-2008 04:01 pm (UTC)
I'd like to join. I can't promise prompt editing, but I'm thorough and I've be BETA for one of my friends for years.
29th-Apr-2008 04:09 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much! I'm so glad you're interested. ^_^ Before I approve you though, I want to let you know a few things, as I'm not sure if you're familiar with the story...Since I'm just meeting you, I'm going to assume you've not read the fic previously (before it was taken down for rehaul, so to speak ^_^).

I just like to make sure people know that the fic is very dark, adult, and contains themes of death, rape, incest, and a lot of heavy angst. Also, the story is currently over 160,000 words and is projected to be between 300,000 and 350,000 words total. If you're fine with that, then great!

I already have some new stuff posted, and let me direct you to this post which has all the links of everything that's posted. As you'll see in the comments, for the earlier chapters I'm looking for more general advice since they're being totally overhauled, but from chapter 4-5 onwards anything is welcome, right down to the nitty gritties of wording and such.

WRT speed of the critting, I'm fine with whatever pace you can set. As you'll see from the community posts, I'm fine with people taking their time. ^_^

Thank you and please let me know if everything looks okay! I really appreciate your offer.
6th-May-2009 02:48 pm (UTC) - hi there again??
hi? I was able to view more of your works and I can't help but to crave for more... can you please add me as one of your friends?? actually, I have read your "of Age" too, but chapter 7 was the only one unlocked... and I am so looking forward to read chapters 1-6 and of course other succeeding chapters... According to the dates of your fics, most of them are more than a year old...but still, I'll be honored to read them... I liked the way you described yuri and wolfram's love for each other and how you gave life to their characters. I never imagined how two males could love each other without at least one of them be a gay before reading your fics...
but what I loved most was the story of murata and yosak!! really, it was so cute... I assure you that I really did love it!! well, I was always used to yuri and wolfram's story and it was my first time with murata and yosak but their flirtness and teasing was way too cute for me... so PLEEEEEAAAAAASE, ADD ME AS ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS!!! I thank you in advance for that... thank you a lot and more power!!!
I promise, this won't be my last comment...

P.S. Also, I know it is super late but, I am so sorry for your lost of your brother... I wish you have moved on already...
6th-May-2009 04:48 pm (UTC) - Re: hi there again??
Hi! I'm a bit confused as to where you read Chapter 7, since all the chapters should be locked. Of Age has been down for a long time. ^^

And where would you like to be added? I saw you friended my personal journal where there's really not any fanfiction...you can find all my writing on lenas_ill_fame and it's all public (except Of Age). I usually only friend people I know on my personal journal since it's...well, personal. ^^ If you're interested in getting to know me personally that's different, I just want to make sure you know that lenainverse won't have any writing that you don;t find elsewhere.
7th-May-2009 04:58 am (UTC) - Re: hi there again??
Actually, it ("Of Age" chapter 7) was on your account and apparently, it was the only chapter unlocked as I said before... I'm sorry I confused you... I am not really good at expressing my self clearly to others... So I guess I can't view the other chapters of "Of Age" then?... Oh, what a shame... I really love to see the whole happening there... It was so good... But if you don't want it to be viewed, I'll be just happy to respect your will..

And, thank you for going through a lot of work by writing all of your beautiful fics... I really enjoy reading them.. not a single fic was boring or awkward. ^^ I think you'll hear more from me!! More power!!
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